4. Mr. Wanchat Thippool
The Double Resurrections
Credit:
Ubon TV
Source:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dA7PNA8hVrI
Copyrighted by Mr. Wanchat Thippool
INTERVIEWER: Hello, this Nopporn
News Talk program. I’m now at Chaiburi
Village, Chaiburi Sub-District, Tah Utain District, Nakorn Phanom
Province. Today, we have a chance to
interview the village scholar who lives in Chaiburi Village. He is Mr. Wanchat Thippool, a former
provincial school director and a retired government officer. Presently, he has been honored as the village
scholar of Tah Utain Sub-District. He is
now 67 years old. This afternoon, I have
a chance to interview him about an interesting story which I wish to publicize,
but it is subject to personal belief.
Good afternoon, Mr. Wanchat!
MR. WANCHAT: Good afternoon!
INTERVIEWER: May I address you
as Brother Wanchat? How old are you now?
MR. WANCHAT: I’m 67 years old and turning 68.
INTERVIEWER: Turning 68, and you
are still healthy. I heard that you had
experienced resurrections.
MR. WANCHAT: Yes, right.
INTERVIEWER: For two times,
isn’t it?
MR. WANCHAT: Yes, two times. The first one was in 1984.
INTERVIEWER: 1984
MR. WANCHAT: Yes.
INTERVIEWER: And the second
time?
MR. WANCHAT: In 2004.
INTERVIEWER: So, the duration between
the first and the second is around 20 years.
MR. WANCHAT: Yes, 20 years.
INTERVIEWER: How were the two
events similar or different?
MR. WANCHAT: They are quite similar. For the first time, I had an accident where
my head was hit by a wooden log while I was working. Then, I became unconscious. After that I got headaches. So, I had medical treatments, but it didn’t
go away. Later on, I passed out. By that time, I was with my family, but my
family didn’t recognize me. The day that
I passed out, I was so exhausted. So, I
told my wife not to disturb me, and I went to sleep. My wife didn’t disturb me, and it had been
twelve hours.
INTERVIEWER: So, it was twelve
hours of sleeping?
MR. WANCHAT: It was like losing my conscious while I
was sleeping.
INTERVIEWER: Was it due to a log
hitting?
MR. WANCHAT: No, it was afterward. But before this event, I had an insight
telling me that I already reached the end of my lifespan.
INTERVIEWER: Who told you this?
MR. WANCHAT: The ones who told me in my insight were
two bold men. They wore red clothes with
bead ornaments holding tridents.
INTERVIEWER: It is like what we see
on TV program.
MR. WANCHAT: They looked dreadful like the hell
denizen, but they had no horns. Their complexion
was quite dark, having tridents as their weapon.
INTERVIEWER: What is their
height?
MR. WANCHAT: They are taller than me. I had to look up to see them. My height is 176 to 177 centimeters, their
height should be at least 180 to 190 centimeters or more.
INTERVIEWER: They are taller
than us.. taller than common people.
MR. WANCHAT: Yes.
By that time, I asked why my lifespan ended. They said the ‘Listing of the Dead’ showed
that my lifespan ended, and I had to follow them with no exception.
INTERVIEWER: That is what you
learned from your insight.
MR. WANCHAT: Yes, from my insight. So, I told them why I can’t go because I
still worked for the government, and my family would have problems. They said my name was listed, and I could not
refuse. If I didn’t follow them, they
would be punished by beheading.
INTERVIEWER: This means that
they would be punished.
MR. WANCHAT: Yes, they would be punished. So, I agreed to follow them with a condition
that they had to treat me well. As such,
I was not chained. They walked ahead and
told me to close my eyes.
INTERVIEWER: They told you to
close your eyes during your insight?
MR. WANCHAT: I closed my eyes during the insight, for
a moment, I reached the end of a tunnel.
It was like the tunnel of purgatory hell that we saw on the TV program.
INTERVIEWER: The tunnel means
you could see light glowing from the end destination when you entered the
tunnel?
MR. WANCHAT: Yes, it was like we entered another
world.. another realm, and it was exceptionally crowded.
INTERVIEWER: After you opened
your eyes?
MR. WANCHAT: There were numerous people who were in
line. I was one of them. And the purgatory officer kept opening the
book of record.
INTERVIEWER: Was the book of
record opening the same as opening and reading books?
MR. WANCHAT: Yes, it is
called ‘the golden book’ where good deeds and misdeeds of people are recorded
and listed. When it was my turn, the
officer kept flipping from page to page, and he said “Mr. Wanchat used to be a
Buddhist monk and did meritorious deeds.”
Then, I was reminded of the merits that I did but I could not remember,
and the details which I could not remember were given.
INTERVIEWER: We can compare it to the ‘Big Data.’
MR. WANCHAT: Yes, the Big Data. But the officer said my lifespan had not
ended, and my spirit must be sent back.
INTERVIEWER: Please excuse me,
what language did you use when you communicated with them. Was it a local tongue, official tongue, or
what? Could it be a telepathy?
MR. WANCHAT: It was by telepathy.
INTERVIEWER: So the conversation
went on by thinking?
MR. WANCHAT: Right, we just thought.
INTERVIEWER: You thought in
Thai, and they replied?
MR. WANCHAT: Yes, the reply was in Thai, and it came
along the thought.
INTERVIEWER: It means that you
didn’t use your mouth to speak.
MR. WANCHAT: Yes, it was like a mental communication. After that, they were to send me back.
INTERVIEWER: After the officer
checked the book of record and found an error that you had not reached the end
of your lifespan, they sent your spirit back.
MR. WANCHAT: Yes, they sent me back.
INTERVIEWER: How did they send
you back?
MR. WANCHAT: When they were to send me back, the purgatory
hell officer said “close your eyes,” and I held his arm. For a moment, the officer told me to open my
eyes, and I was at home. It was the time
for me to dress up and go to work, but I had a heart attack (acute coronary
syndrome) and became unconscious. Thus,
I was transported to Tah Utain Hospital and transferred to Nakorn Phanom Provincial
Hospital for medical checkup and treatments.
INTERVIEWER: After your spirit
returned, you had an immediate heart attack and was transported to Tah Utain
Hospital. This happened after your
spirit was sent back from the purgatory hell.
Your symptom was of an illness.
MR. WANCHAT: Yes, after I arrived the hospital for
medical checkup, the doctor diagnosed and said there was nothing wrong with me.
INTERVIEWER: You thought that
you had an immediate heart attack, and you went to the hospital. But the doctor said there was nothing wrong
with you.
MR. WANCHAT: Yes, there was nothing wrong. When I was to return from the purgatory hell,
the officer said “please do the beneficial things to the society including
merits and charities as well as publicizing useful Dhamma media and telling
people about merit and sin to those who lack awareness. This is the cultivation of merit. It was the first time, which I did, and the
second time was twenty years after that.
INTERVIEWER: Please excuse me
again, how was your conducts before and after this event. Did you change yourself?
MR. WANCHAT: Yes.
Before, I was more careless, and I became more contented.
INTERVIEWER: But you did not
drink alcohol or gamble, as a good member of the society.
MR. WANCHAT: I have contributed more to the society
by spending every single minute of my life beneficially. I go to bed around 11.00 pm and wake up at
3.30 am to meditate for 10 minutes as a meditation therapy and start to do my
routines.
INTERVIEWER: Is it what you can
figure out by yourself?
MR. WANCHAT: No, I was taught to do so.
INTERVIEWER: And you put into
practice.
MR. WANCHAT: Yes, basically from Vipassana (insight)
meditation.
INTERVIEWER: You used to be a
Buddhist monk.
MR. WANCHAT: I had been a Buddhist monk for three
months, and I learned from Venerable Phrakru Sunthornkalayanvudh, my Buddhist
master who is very strict. I got this
trait from him as I was his attendant during weekends. Also, I learned from the teachings of the
Most Venerable Phrathepsitthacariya (Luang Pu Chan Suvannavajjo).
INTERVIEWER: We can say that you
have some backgrounds. After you
returned from the purgatory hell, did you have a chance to tell the story to
family members and others in the society?
MR. WANCHAT: Most of them didn’t believe me.
INTERVIEWER: You told it to your
close ones, didn’t you?
MR. WANCHAT: Yes, I did. But they didn’t believe. They thought that I was abnormal.
INTERVIEWER: After you returned,
you were like an abnormal?
MR. WANCHAT: Yes, they doubted my mental condition
that made be an abnormal person. The
local Thai Northeastern language terms it ‘Puang.’ In fact, I was fully normal. But I would like to explain my experience in
term of science that.. it is like when we use our phone or the television
signal that we can’t see with naked eyes.
If we can tune the television signal to match and receive the compatible
signal, it is the same concept to telepathy.
The characteristic of mental communication is that we convey the mental
signal, and when someone has a channel that matches our signal, they can
receive what is conveyed.
INTERVIEWER: Have you ever told
this story to Buddhist monks?
MR. WANCHAT: I used to do it, but they were not
interested. So, I remain silent because
most people don’t understand, and I let it go.
INTERVIEWER: This made you
telling nobody, but you kept up with your conducts and routines
consistently. Thus, you became the
contented person who dedicated yourself to the society. And it was the first event in 1984. So, how about the second time?
MR. WANCHAT: The second resurrection occurred when I
returned to Tah Utain Village after I followed my wife moving to Nakorn Phanom. As we returned to the village, we built our
new house. After the new house was
constructed, I had an insight which was quite close to the first
resurrection. The denizen officers told
me that it was the end of my lifespan, and they were ordered to accompany
me.
INTERVIEWER: How did they tell
you during the insight? Was it a
meditation experience or a dream?
MR. WANCHAT: It was during a meditation practice, not
a dream.
INTERVIEWER: Was it a voice or
an image?
MR. WANCHAT: It was like watching a streaming video.
INTERVIEWER: It was like
watching a TV. How many denizen officer
came to pick you up?
MR. WANCHAT: Only two, same as the first resurrection.
INTERVIEWER: Were they the same
ones as the first time?
MR. WANCHAT: No, they were different officers.
INTERVIEWER: The different
officers also looked like the earlier ones who were bold, dark, and put on red
clothes.
MR. WANCHAT: Yes, but the second event was different
that they did not come by foot. They
said I was a person of good status, and it was inappropriate to invite me the normal
way. So, they brought a horse cart to
pick me up.
INTERVIEWER: Did the cart look
like the Thai Northeastern cart? Was
there a shelter?
MR. WANCHAT: It looked like a carriage with horses,
similar to the Ramayana Movie.
INTERVIEWER: How many horses
they brought?
MR. WANCHAT: According to my insight, there were two
horses.
INTERVIEWER: A carriage with two
horses to pick you up.
MR. WANCHAT: I told them I had recently built a
house. If I followed them, my family
members had to pay debt. I asked them if
their boss would pay the debt on my behalf.
I knew that they came to pick up my spirit. It was not a good thing. Their arrival denotes the end of my
lifespan.
INTERVIEWER: Because you
experienced it once already.
MR. WANCHAT: I tried to bargain and negotiate with
them back and forth. Finally, they said
that if I didn’t follow them they would be beheaded.
INTERVIEWER: It was like the
first time.
MR. WANCHAT: Similar to the first time.
INTERVIEWER: If you don’t follow
them, they would be beheaded.
MR. WANCHAT: Finally, I followed them with a promise
that they had to send me back.
INTERVIEWER: Did they promise?
MR. WANCHAT: They promised. But I didn’t have to close my eyes this
time. Once I got on to the carriage, the
carriage moves down quickly.
INTERVIEWER: Did it speed out?
MR. WANCHAT: Down and down and down
INTERVIEWER: The mind entered
their realm, but was there a tunnel like the first time?
MR. WANCHAT: No, the carriage was pulled like a warp
amidst the air.
INTERVIEWER: Did it fly?
MR. WANCHAT: Yes, it flied like warping.
INTERVIEWER: And you were seated
on the carriage?
MR. WANCHAT: I was seated on the carriage.
INTERVIEWER: What about the two
officers.
MR. WANCHAT: They were drivers.
INTERVIEWER: You were seated
under the shelter, right?
MR. WANCHAT: Yes, I was on the upper seat. They sat below. It didn’t take a long time to get there.
INTERVIEWER: Was it the same place
again? Could you remember it?
MR. WANCHAT: It was the same place which I came in 1984. I went there before, at the end of
tunnel. Once I arrived, they asked me to
get off and invited me to get in line after my name was announced.
INTERVIEWER: Please excuse me,
was it overcrowded?
MR. WANCHAT: Yes, like the first time.
INTERVIEWER: Were they Thais,
foreigners, Westerners, or else?
MR. WANCHAT: They were altogether from every nation.
INTERVIEWER: It means that we
can notice from their figures that they are from all races including Westerners,
Indians, Thais, and other, right?
MR. WANCHAT: Yes, but they didn’t talk to each
other. Everyone was quiet. It was so quiet that we could hear the sound
of a pin-drop.
INTERVIEWER: Were they chained?
MR. WANCHAT: Not yet.
Once I walked up the hall, the officer opened the book of record and
read my name “Wanchat Kaew-In, Wanchat Ma-In, Wanchat Thippool.. the one whose
lifespan ends today is Wanchat Ma-In, this person is Wanchat Thippool, his
lifespan hasn’t ended!” Upon this, I thought
of taking a look at the hell, so I could tell others.
INTERVIEWER: Did you request to
look at the list of the dead?
MR. WANCHAT: No, not yet.
INTERVIEWER: You asked for
looking at the hell first.
MR. WANCHAT: So, I asked them, but they refused
giving the reason that I didn’t have enough time. They said the timing here and the timing in
human world are different, at least 25 years or 52 years at some other spots.
INTERVIEWER: It meant that if we
spent time in hell, it would be 52 years or 25 years on earth.
MR. WANCHAT: Right, one day in purgatory hell equals
to 25 years on earth. They said if I
would spend time looking at hell, I would die for real. They questioned if I wanted it that way, and
I declined. Thus, I requested them to
take a look at nearby heaven. They said
it’s possible, so they accompanied me there.
INTERVIEWER: Who took you there?
By a carriage or what?
MR. WANCHAT: I went by the same carriage. The two denizen officers who picked me up
accompanied me for heaven sightseeing. The
celestial palaces were situated on clouds similar to the images we can see on
fresco. I asked the officers what was
gleaming on the palace, they said humans call it ‘diamond’ which is priceless,
but it is just a decorating gemstone in heaven.
Continuing the sightseeing further, I saw a big shining yellow chunk
decorating the celestial palace, I questioned what it was. The officer said it is the valuable gold for
the human world, but in heaven, it is just like a useless decorating rock. I saw the fruits in heaven which were ripe,
but they didn’t fall down. So, I asked
if anyone was hungry because I was. The
officers said nobody eats foods here because they fulfill their hunger byway of
thinking. Thus, I told them to send me
back because I was so hungry already.
INTERVIEWER: Excuse me please,
were there anyone living inside the celestial palaces? Were they occupied or unoccupied?
MR. WANCHAT: They were occupied.
INTERVIEWER: How was their dressing,
and how did they look like?
MR. WANCHAT: They looked like angels and deities on
the fresco, but they were more beautiful and gorgeous.
INTERVIEWER: Can you still
remember the images?
MR. WANCHAT: Yes, I can still draw the images if you
wish.
INTERVIEWER: If we show you the
fresco images, can you point out how it was like?
MR. WANCHAT: The trees were very beautiful. There were dwarfs which we can see on
fresco. It was so beautiful just like
that as I passed by.
INTERVIEWER: Did angels in each
celestial palace smile and greet you?
No, I didn’t have a chance. There was not enough time.
INTERVIEWER: How was their
manner? Were they sitting or walking?
MR. WANCHAT: Most of them were sitting. Some of them had aura spreading out, such as
from their heads. Different of them had
different radiances. But I didn’t have
enough time. So, I just passed by when I
paid a visit to heaven. And the officers
reminded me that it was time to return, and I agreed. Hence, I asked for permission to take a look
at the book of record.
INTERVIEWER: It means that you
returned to the purgatory hell and asked to look at the listing of the dead.
MR. WANCHAT: After I made a request, the officers
said they wouldn’t grant others except me because I was meritorious and
virtuous. So, they allowed me to take a
look. I asked if I could take a note, they
said I couldn’t do so but I could memorize it.
So, I could remember 11 to 12 names.
INTERVIEWER: Where did the
twelve people live?
MR. WANCHAT: All of them lived in Tah Utain
Sub-District
INTERVIEWER: It means that they
lived in the same area as yours.
MR. WANCHAT: But I didn’t pay attention after I
returned. However, all of the twelve
people died in that same year.
INTERVIEWER: In the same year.
MR. WANCHAT: It is unbelievable. One of them was only 14 years old, and one of
them was only 7 years old. It is
unbelievable that they would die. The 14
years old did a motor-biking and crashed the electricity pole. The 7 years old had a diarrhea and passed
away.
INTERVIEWER: Excuse me please,
when you returned home, how did they accompany you? Was it the same?
MR. WANCHAT: The same as when I departed.
INTERVIEWER: Well, what actually
happened when you passed away and had the second resurrection?
MR. WANCHAT: I was very much exhausted. So, I went to bed and I became unconscious.
INTERVIEWER: Were you still
sleeping when you returned? Were you
unconscious at the hospital or at home?
MR. WANCHAT: At home,
and it was on the first of October 2004.
I rose after I returned.
INTERVIEWER: Did you return at
daytime or night time?
MR. WANCHAT: I returned in the morning which was the
12th hour after I went to bed at 6 pm.
INTERVIEWER: Did your family
members know what you experienced or they just thought that you were sleeping
and woke up?
MR. WANCHAT: I seemed
like a normal sleeping, so they didn’t know.
They thought I had a deep sleep.
The happening was that after I returned, I had a tight chest. So, my wife brought me to Tah Utain Hospital.
INTERVIEWER: It was like the
first time.
MR. WANCHAT: Yes, but this time it was more
serious. I was transferred to Nakorn
Phanom Provincial Hospital. The doctor
gave me heparin for the clot, then I recovered and became normal. The doctor believed that I had Acute Coronary
Syndrome just like the first resurrection.
INTERVIEWER: Did you had a heart
ballooning?
MR. WANCHAT: No, by that time, it was not that
serious.
INTERVIEWER: So, you just took
the heparin for the clot.
MR. WANCHAT: Yes, and what happened was that the man
whose name was Mr. Wanchat Ma-In passed away on that very day. We share the same first name but different
last name.
INTERVIEWER: Did he live in
Tah-Utain Sub-District?
MR. WANCHAT: No, we lived in different
provinces. He lived in Na-Gair.
INTERVIEWER: On the very same
day? And how did you know that?
MR. WANCHAT: He is one of my friends.
INTERVIEWER: His first name is
also ‘Mr. Wanchat,’ but his last name is ‘Ma-In.’ He passed away on the same day that you…
MR. WANCHAT: Yes, there are two persons whose name
and last name are Mr. Wanchat Ma-In. The
first one is Mr. Wanchat Ma-In who is the district agriculture officer. He is still alive. But the one who passed away was Mr. Wanchat
Ma-In who was my friend.
INTERVIEWER: Oh, that’s the data
error!
MR. WANCHAT: Yes, data error. So, this is about the merit, sin, virtues,
and disvirtues
INTERVIEWER: I would like to get
back to the list of 12 people. When you
fully recovered, did you tell them that you saw their names on the listing of
the dead?
MR. WANCHAT: I told them, but they didn’t believe me.
INTERVIEWER: How many of them
did you tell? Twelve?
MR. WANCHAT: Well, around 4 to 5 of them.
INTERVIEWER: How did you mention
this to them?
MR. WANCHAT: I told them that we should make more
merit to better our lives. Some are
well-to-do, so we should donate our clothes to those who are in need such as on
the occasion of our birthday, we can donate caskets instead of buying liquor
which is a nonsensical thing, right? Or
we can donate to the non-profit foundation and hospital for the public
benefit. But they didn’t believe
me.
INTERVIEWER: That’s how you
approached.
MR. WANCHAT: They got upset thinking that my words
would bring them misfortune. Soon after
that, they passed away.
INTERVIEWER: Were they ill or
killed by an accident?
MR. WANCHAT: Most of them died of accidents. Some died of diarrhea. Some died of immediate heart attack.
INTERVIEWER: To conclude, among
the 12 people, you told around 4 to 5 of them.
Among the 4 to 5 people you told, they got upset and disbelieved in your
words. So, you didn’t tell the rest of
them. But all of the people you saw
their names in the list died in the same year.
MR. WANCHAT: I cannot disclose their names because
this will affect them. So, I would like
to reserve the right by now.
INTERVIEWER: But they are the
people whose names you can remember.
MR. WANCHAT: Right!
INTERVIEWER: After they passed
away, did you tell their relatives, later on, that you earlier saw their names
on the list?
MR. WANCHAT: I declined to tell them, because they
were not educated to comprehend the belief about this realm, similar to the TV
signal that cannot be seen, when we ask how the TV signal works.. but when the Dhamma Master Fhan explained
when someone asked him if ghosts were real, he was wise not to answer directly,
but he said that if we could fine tune our mind to be more refined equal to the
television signal, we will be able to see the ghosts. The mental refinement is like the television,
if we can fine tune the mind to become more focused and subtle, we can see the
ghosts.
INTERVIEWER: It means that the
two events make you confident that reincarnation, hell, and heaven are real.
MR. WANCHAT: Yes, heaven and hell are real. Before my resurrections, I didn’t believe
these because I was more scientifically oriented.
INTERVIEWER: Because you studied
science.
MR. WANCHAT: Yes, I didn’t believe in heaven, hell,
and reincarnation. I didn’t believe in
merit and virtues as well as the book of record which was even more
unbelievable.
INTERVIEWER: Now you confirm
that they are real.
MR. WANCHAT: I do confirm and I have strong faith in
Buddhism and believe so.
INTERVIEWER: Do people believe
in your story these days?
MR. WANCHAT: Very few people believe my story.
INTERVIEWER: How do the few
believers change?
MR. WANCHAT: Mostly people think that I exaggerate
the story. But some people said.. one
time, I was a school director. And I saw
in my insight during meditation that the son of my subordinate teacher would
face an accident by driving a motorcycle to hit an electricity pole. By that time I was to move to another
school. I didn’t know how I should
caution my subordinate teacher. So, I
told him that I had a dream of his son driving a motorcycle and hit an
electricity pole.
INTERVIEWER: You used the word
‘dream’ instead.
MR. WANCHAT: Yes, if I told him that I knew it from meditation,
he would think that I was abnormal. So,
I told him that I had a dream last night that his son would drive a motorcycle
and hit an electricity pole. This dream
made me concern. Finally, I moved to
another school on the 25th of November. Until the Father’s Day which was the 4th
to the 5th of December, it was around 7 to 8 days later, his son
asked for 200 baht to play internet games, but the father who was my
subordinate teacher gave only 100 baht explaining that gaming was no good, the
son dissatisfied and threw money to the face of his father. Then, he drove his motorcycle outside and
fell down from the road and hit an electricity pole, just like what I saw in
meditation. Then, his father called me
saying that ‘Mr.Director, his motorcycle crashed the electricity pole just like
what you said. Will there be something
wrong with him?’ I replied ‘Don’t worry,
he will be sent to Khon Kaen Provincial Hospital and receive medical treatment
for one month and return home as a good person.’ This came true as the son recovered and
returned from Khon Kaen Provincial Hospital.
He has repented and studied at a reputable school in Nakhon Phanom
School, having better conducts and study achievements.
INTERVIEWER: Did he experience anything?
MR. WANCHAT: I didn’t interview him. But I knew that he would improve to be
better. He no longer plays game.
INTERVIEWER: What about his father? Did the changes made him question you?
MR. WANCHAT: I just laughed saying that it could
happen by chance, that’s all.
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Discontinued –
Transliterated
& Translated from Thai to English
by Pirajak
Suwapatdecha (Pittaya Wong)
on Saturday,
23 November 2019
